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Wednesday, December 24, 2008

Other Side of Story: MyRealPage Ubertor and Spam

This continues the "MyRealPage versus Ubertor" series.

A couple of blogs have been posted recently, by Ian Watt and Tim Ayres, that talk about MyRealPage, Ubertor, and Spam. The blogs in question are here:Ian and Tim are staunch supporters of Ubertor and appear to be friends with each other and Stephen Jagger, Ubertor's co-founder. I think it's admirable to support your friends and their business; I certainly try to do that with my friends as well.

I would like to state forthright: I don't begrudge Ian and Tim their view of MyRealPage's messages to them. I agree that they shouldn't have gotten them: they were marked to be skipped but slipped through the cracks as we were experimenting with different email delivery systems (incidentally, they were not included in all campaigns). BTW, Tim, you did mark yourself as an "opt-out" and it did register in our system. I have done that manually for Ian, as a courtesy.

A couple of direct remarks:
  • Ian, I wonder if "that guy" in your video is me, if so, I have to tell you that I am not personally involved in our marketing campaigns, and I hope you don't see me doing the proverbial licking of the email envelope with your address on it and snickering: the process is automated, your inclusion in the campaign was accidental and without any evil purpose.
  • Tim, our "system" is not what sends out email campaigns, MyRealPage is a website and listing solution provider for real estate agents, not an email campaign software company; we use other companies' products which, regrettably, are not always fault-proof; hence, it really can say nothing about our "system".
  • Tim, in case you are curious, we don't go about looking for Ubertor clients' websites by checking the "hosted by" logo; that would be a terrible waste of our resources. 
Now, a few observations about these two video blogs:
  • It's interesting that a "spam" message can cause the appearance of two blog postings. I usually delete my unwanted messages, often without even looking at the content. But, of course, the blog posts are not about spam, they are about MyRealPage and their competition with Ubertor.

  • Tim takes an odd stance of being offended by the fact that we can be targeting customers of a competition. I find it to be a curious position, since competitive marketing is what I see every day anywhere I look. Examples?

    • Apple against Microsoft: watch their hugely successful and popular on-going video commercials of "I am a Mac, and I am a PC"

    • Microsoft's counter campaign that at one point included Microsoft people standing by entrances to Mac Stores and talking to Apple customers about benefits of Windows (pretty close analogy to Save-on-Foods fliers from Tim's blog)

    • Or here is a good one: ComFree is a "sale by owner" service that is based in Winnipeg. My cousin decided to try her luck with that. Since she set up the sign on her lawn, she has received literally dozens of promotional leaflets and phone calls from realtors trying to convert her into a client. She has actually signed up with one of them: good for her!

    Of course, it's silly to go on... Competitive marketing is all around us. Businesses will continue to advertise and if they feel they have an edge over their competition, they will advertise to the competition's client base. Ubertor targets our clients too (Ian, you advertised at least a few deals not too long ago that are specifically targeted to MyRealPage clients; Tim, any comments on that?)... well, we "get it": it's business.

But here comes a curious inconsistency in this strong reaction to MyRealPage by these two blogs:


According to Ian and Tim, Ubertor is far superior to MyRealPage in terms of the product offering. Incidentally, there is a whistling silence on my invitation to Ubertor to come out with their technical advocacy and settle the feature scores in the open: "mano-a-mano"; and not via "leader" and "innovator" rhetoric. If Ubertor is so superior and has gotten its products and customer service so right, shouldn't our campaigns to Ubertor agents be simply laughable, as opposed to warranting separate blog postings by Ubertor advocates. I mean, really? [irony] Why would MyRealPage go after the "hard" client who has found the ultimate provider in this space and is now enjoying all the benefits of their products and services? Wouldn't we spend our money better going after the others, who are "mercifully ignorant" of our competition and try to "cajole" them in becoming our client.[/irony]

So here is the very simple and accessible explanation for why MyRealPage continues to advetise to Ubertor's clients: MyRealPage has a pretty good success rate with converting Ubertor clients. This, and only this, is why we continue to advertise our products and services to Ubertor clients. Of course, there is nothing surprising: take a look at the reasons to use MyRealPage, they represent a pretty powerful product offering. We have good conversion rate for email campaigns, snail mail campaigns, and the best of all, when Ray Giesbrecht, our salesperson in Vancouver, talks to Ubertor clients in person. (Is that why Ray is attacked at a personal level by fake commentators?). Retaining a customer is part of the game, it's not over after a new client is signed up. We take retention very seriously by constantly improving customer support and products on our end.

MyRealPage will continue to build its products, customer service, and its business; and it will continue advertising and challenging the competition. I think competition is a good thing, even if you are not a customer standing to directly benefit, but are yourself on of one of the competing sides: it's always a great motivation to make your business and products better.

And one last thing: I am happy that these blogs have been careful to avoid any direct feature mentions and comparisons, as has happened in the past. But I would carefully weigh bringing in ethics into the MyRealPage versus Ubertor arguments, because for one, MyRealPage has never crossed any acceptable business practices in its marketing or sales campaigns, such as, for example, pretending to be competitor's customers in online comments and attacking competitor's salespeople at a personal level.

5 comments:

Bart said...

I totally agree, Ubertor advocates' usual technique is targeting people emotions, not mind. It looks like they are afraid to compare their product with MyRealPage product in any other case then to say that they are innovators. It isn't enough to be a innovator once, you should keep up with the others as well :) If you wish to prove that Ubertor product is superior in any area or there are some great feature that is missing for us there would be a comment on our previous blogs and list of features would be compared side by side with prices. We are not afraid of competition :)

Ubertor Mike said...

The subject at hand was not addressed and an attempt to circumvent the illegal MyRealPage matter flagged was given.

Bottom line is that My Real Page Spam is illegal, lazy and reflects poor moral and business ethic as it is a waste of the recipients time.

Apple doesn't spam, nor does Microsoft. In fact Bill Gates strongly advocates for an e-mail fee to thwart spammers.

Please do not waste Real Estate Agents valuable time.

Cheers,

.mike

alias604 said...

Mike, my blog post was a collection of observation so I am confused what "subject matter" you had in mind. But, I think, I get your drift, even though I can't make out the second clause in your first sentence.

This is the way I see this "subject matter" in the form of a discourse: "Target: MyRealPage; course of action: hey, look, we got an email from them advertising a special promotion for real estate agents. Let's go after them as spammers. Everybody hates spam; we have the high moral ground...."

Ok, so you want to fight spam? Up to 91% of all incoming emails are spam (http://sentra.ischool.utexas.edu/~adillon/blog/archives/127) (In reality numbers vary from 75% to 95%). Of these: 80% are sent by 100 spammers (http://www.spamhaus.org/Rokso). Do your math. If you want to fight spam; blog about that, but of course, that's not what the real subject matter is. The real subject matter is that MyRealPage is successfully marketing to and converting real estate agents looking for better website and listing solutions.

> "illegal spam"
I am not a lawyer, but here is a quote from http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ecic-ceac.nsf/eng/h_gv00246.html: "(ii)The Criminal Code and the Competition Act: Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail for a legal product or service is currently not (sic) a criminal offense. Like unsolicited commercial information distributed through traditional mail, it can be considered a form of advertising and marketing"
> "poor moral and business ethics":
No offense, Mike, but are you really suggesting that wasting someone's time is "poor moral and business ethic". As a statement, this sure begs for some improvement (I hope you don't use this logic in a line-up to a bank teller). Speaking about morality and ethics, any comment on this subject matter: http://myrealpage-alias604.blogspot.com/2008/11/ubertor-anatomy-of-lie.html?
> "lazy":
Not as lazy as your adjectives, Mike.

Our emails may be a waste of time to some; but they are not a waste of time to those who have chosen to convert to MyRealPage as a result of our campaigns and those who may be still considering.

Mike, if you read my post carefully, you will see that I didn't suggest that Apple or Microsoft spam. I suggested that they target competition in their marketing.

I do agree that paying a fee to send emails may thwart spammers and I am all for it! MyRealPage would gladly pay the fee. You know why? Because we are not spammers.

The bottom line is that it's very easy to stop MyRealPage from sending you emails: put us on your blacklist: we never use fake senders; or click a link on the email to opt out. Some have already done that and we honour that! We don't do phishing, we don't send trojans, we don't hide phrases by mangling them to defeat anti-spam engines, we don't prey on the weak. We advertise a professional service to a professional audience.

It's certainly easy to make a big deal out of a competition targeting your clients. The great news is that free market competition may not always favour a particular company but it always works in the consumer's favour!

Happy Holidays!
--Bill

NH said...

wow! i stumbled upon this battle....unfortunately for myrealpage, sending an unsolicited email may not be "illegal" however it is enough to have your domain and server listed as a spam initiating service and it is tacky business practice. you should really do what steve and mike do well, create new business through happy customers and referrals and not send mass marketing to people who don't want to read it anyways.

you need to stop posting legal jargon and trying to rebut the fact that your company chose a really sleazy method to attract customers. there is a motto that i have always believed and that is "a happy customer cannot be stolen".

maybe a little more time in the marketing bunker and less defending an all around bad move would be a more productive use of your time.....

N.

alias604 said...

NH, the reason why we are not blacklisted is because we are not spammers. And with all due respect, my "legal jargon" is in response to Ubertor Mike's frivolous use of the term "illegal".

Sleazy, you say? Care to direct the rigor of your opinion at this: http://myrealpage-alias604.blogspot.com/2008/11/ubertor-anatomy-of-lie.html?

I couldn't agree more that a "happy customer cannot be stolen". Here is a making of a happy customer:

An Ubertor client learns about MyRealPage as an alternative website and listing provider. The client tells Ubertor about it. That puts heat on Ubertor to listen and act when the customer demands product and service improvements... or not. In any case, the customer that has a choice is the customer that wins. Switch Ubertor and MyRealPage places in the above, and I would still subscribe to it.

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